Talking about Good and Bad Muslims-Jamal Miftah case gets more bizarre/***Updates****

Thank you for seeding this story.

I don't find the person who called himself to be Riaz Noor to be particularly credible at this point, and I'm not entirely certain what he was trying to say. It sounds like the mosque itself is verifying that an incident occurred. I suppose he might be spinning it for his later benefit, but for all we know Riaz Noor isn't even a real name.

Out of pure curisoity I would further investigate this Riaz Noor person. Lucid has a point in that they might not be a real person, which means that the whole tale could be fabricated to counter and discredit Miftah - certain a tale of murder and espionage captures attention - however, nothing indicates the Riaz is lying either, it is just a case of "no weight". They have yet to prove anything, wereas (as Lucid also pointed out), the Mosque seems to verify the scuffle.

At the same time, Riaz is talking about the character of Mitfah and not the event within the Mosque.

Surely there has to be some kind of public record concerning the death of Nageena, who Riaz is and other things concerning Mitfah... I'll see if I can't find anything either...

I love a good political mystery...

Great seed and article

Hi I am riaz Noor from Tulsa Oklahoma I have been living united state from 1979.jamal miftah is my first cousin from my mother side. i am just tying to expose Jamal miftah for what he is .I filed a complain with authorities in June about Jamal miftah steeling my sister nageena(she was his first wife that he killed) id and bringing his 2nd wife under my dead sister name. Jamal miftah started all this thing about the masque after his sister (the one who sponcer him and his wife) was interviw by FBI.
Jamal knows that the truth will come out soon and he will face deportation. So he started this thing with the masque he knows the media will jump on it and he will become poor Jamal and America will not deport him. What he did is a crime especially after 9/11.
I am a simple man with a mission to expose this fraud. It is not about his view this is about the crime he committed against my sister and America. I am not very good with writing I just wrote one latter and I copy and paste to all the site that Jamal miftah is on just to expose him.

Riaz Noor

There is another possiblity.

It's possible that Riaz Noor is a real person, and is telling the truth.

Well, I believe what I said was that his story wasn't credible. In other words, it's possible he's telling the truth, but I really have no idea whether he is or not.

we are ready.we got all the necessary paperwork authorities got all the paper work.

Hello everyone, I am glad that there are impartial people in this thread and are analyzing the situation rationally. Just like Oluseye Bassir, I too have been following up the saga over different blogs, which were not leading anywhere either because Riaz had the authority to delete my comments when he couldn't face it, or there had only been allegations and no substantial argument.

It only seemed as an argumentum ad hominem where character is being targeted instead of the argument itself. So far, nothing has been proved by Riaz and I am looking forward for at least one single point which will establish anything at all.

The only reason I have for not believing Riaz ( I am sure it is for most of you as well) is that he apparently is using internet to get himself justice. If he has notified the authorities, there is no need to publish the whole story all over the internet, I don't think there is any point in making such attempt. It is funny how Riaz explains why has he copied and pasted the same story all over the internet, he is living in US since 1979 and STILL doesn't know how to write, even a kid of grade 1 would have done a better job.

The story defined can only be possible in a hollywood suspence movie, not real life where you could get away with a murder and then changing your wife's ID three times, if Jamal has really done so, he should be appointed as FBI's cheif.. anyways jokes apart, lets continue.

We can imagine the level of Riaz's mentality by having a look at this blog where Riaz, when couldnt prove anything, accuses the owner of the site to be Jamal himself..

So we can expect him to call all of us Jamal when he, once again, will not be able to prove anything at all.

I may sound biased to everyone of you, and yes there is a reason for that. I have repeatedly been saying in every comment of mine everywhere that since Riaz is the one making allegation, burden of proof lies on him and not on Jamal, so Riaz is the one who will have to make all the explanations here. I would like to mention here for information of all readers that Riaz has been deleting my posts wherever he could, accusing me of being Jamal.

There are a few possibilities why Riaz may be coming up with a fabricated story and publishing it all over the internet. The very first one is he may be one of those infuriated with Jamal's article and wants to take some action at least to retaliate, i dont think i need to go into further explanation on this point, everyone understands it. It also seems as if Riaz wants to provoke Jamal to harm him and then he can make him suffer, otherwise no need of publishing it on net.

After all these aspects, we still can give Riaz benefit of the doubt but we yet have to see anything that has a strong base and is supported by solid arguments and evidences. We all will support Riaz, if he is successful in proving his point. I once again will advice Riaz to refrain from splashing this story too much and let the authorities do their job, if Jamal is a murderer after all, he could kill you as well....

Well this is Jamal Miftah

It is very sad to see the kind of commentaries, allegations and slurs going on some of blogs by Riaz Noor (or someone claiming to be Riaz Noor) and another person claiming to be Alex. I feel now is the time for some clarifications and facts.

First, about the allegations leveled by Alex, about Riaz's father and sister;

I have known his father, who died in early 80's because of kidney failure, for many years and so far as I know he was a real gentleman, not an addict and respected in society.

As regards his sister, who died in 1987 because of suicide, I would like to add that she was a pious girl and it is deplorable that this guy is suggesting an extra matrimonial affair for her.

To me it appears to be an effort by some one to spice up the issue. Mr. Riaz (or some one claiming to be Riaz) is accusing me for calling him names or for making these allegations. The electronic address of the source for such accusations can be easily detected by comparing it with my address and the blogger can probably detect these and in all fairness should report those.

This is the first time ever that I am commenting in blog on any of the allegations leveled by any party.

I moved to USA in 2003 along with my wife and four kids. I am a legal resident here along with my wife and four kids.

The petition for my green card was filed by my sister, who is an American citizen, in Pakistan six month after my marriage and which was much later then the tragic death of Riaz's sister (as per his claim she died in May of 1987). The claim of using his sister's identity by my wife is thus farce.

If the person accusing me of killing his sister 20 years from now is Riaz Noor and is genuine in his claim, then why he choose to wait so long to make this claim?

Why he has been inviting me (the killer of his sister, as per his claim) and my family to his place for dinners on several occasions since my arrival in US in March of 2003?

The fact of the matter is that at the time when his sister attempted suicide, his other sister (Shahida) was there along with others. They took her to Jinnah Hospital in Karachi and after struggling with life for more then 10 hours and two major surgeries to save her life; she died on the night of May 21, 1987 (which can be verified from Hospital record).

So he knows how his sister died and that's why never challenged her suicide before.

Now let me put forth some other facts:

- The person he is referring to as the one who gave statement three years ago about killing of his sister is in fact the one who was tried by Accountability Bureau in Pakistan on several cases of corruption and in one of the corruption cases that he was tried, I was a Prosecution witness (state witness) and he got convicted in that case.

- Of his total attendance to the mosque in Tulsa in last three years, 90% of Riaz's attendance has been witnessed by some of the regular mosque goers after October 29th, 2006. Why a sudden surge for love of mosque after publishing of my article.

Now if it is really Riaz Noor writing these comments and notes;

- Then is he trying to sell his sister's death to some vested interests - Or is he trying to side track the main issue, the abnormal reaction to an Anti Al Qaida article by Tulsa Mosque leadership, which leads every one into believing that apparently the mosque leadership (or a major part of mosque leader ship) has sympathies for Al Qaida or is an Al Qaida Sleeper Cell. - Or he is himself an Al Qaida sympathizer or may be part of the sleeper cell.

I may add here that post 9/11, American immigration and FBI are more vigilant and it is too foolish an assertion that they can be fooled by a news paper article. Facts speak for themselves and they have the facts.

Probably after failure in his earlier conspiracies for exploiting commonalities in portion of names, he (or somebody who may have the knowledge or with whose connivance those false complaints were made) has started another campaign for reasons elaborated in the earlier paragraph.

I will not be making any comments further then this, as I intend to take legal action against Tulsa mosque leadership and also the ones who are trying to malign my reputation and am confident that the truth will prevail.

JAMAL MIFTAH
jamalmiftah@sbcglobal.net